Giuliani Supports Public Funding of Abortion
I'd just like to stir up some conversation about Giuliani's statement last week that he supports public funding for abortion. To me it seems he is in an early stage of establishing a pattern of making more liberal statements on his policies then trying to justify them by continually repeating his personal views. In the case last week when said he still supported funding for limited case abortions he followed the comment with,
"I'm in the same position now that I was 12 years ago when I ran for mayor -- which is, personally opposed to abortion, don't like it, hate it, would advise that woman to have an adoption rather than abortion, hope to find the money for it," he said. "But it is your choice, an individual right. You get to make that choice, and I don't think society should be putting you in jail."
Where are his comments about reforming abstinence programs, funding adoption programs, and other alternative methods to counter our more irrisponsible citizens? If he tries to continually validate his more liberal policies with just giving his personal views without including more Republican alternatives as well, he's going to lose support.
posted by kelleng16 @ 8:11 AM
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I applaud Guiliani for supporting a woman's right to choose and sticking to his decision (unlike Romney & McCain, who are pandering to the Christian right). Though it may make it tougher for him in the Republican primary, it will make him more appealing to swing voters in the general.
Regarding abstinance programs - did you see those hilarious figures that came out last week showing that kids in those programs are having sex at the same rate as those who aren't? We should be focusing instead on teaching kids about safe sex and birth control.
Yea I saw the results. That's why I said "reform" ha.
Regarding the poll numbers, it will be interesting to see if the support he potentially loses from the base will be picked up in the swing vote. But his gun stance and now the abortion funding stance which is most likely to lose him some numbers, he's sliding more and more.
Giuliani is going to be a test to see what faction (libertarians or conservatives) controls the party for this election.
Unless a strong social conservative enters the race, we are not going to see a libertarian vs. conservative referendum. Romney is the most socially conservative frontrunner, and even he's flip flopped on a number of social issues - plus, the Morman thing seems to be an issue.
As more details come to light in the VA Tech tragedy, it should be interesting to see how it impacts the gun control debate. Many people are going to look at this and say "how can an individual be allowed to purchase a weapon that allows him to shoot dozens of people in a matter of minutes?". It may take away some of the political capitol of the pro-gun lobby.
I don't think the pro-gun lobby loses much on this mainly because there has been a proposal by them for a long time to start a federal program to train and arm teachers for exactly these scenarios:
Where bullets erupt in a "safe" school environment and obviously the police can never get there in time.
Let's say a bunch of professors are trained and armed, the casualties would be much lower because of faster reaction time.
No matter how many gun control laws these democrats try to put in place, if someone wants to do something like the VT shooting, they will always be able to get a firearm.
I'm waiting for the media to see if they pounce all over the gun-control issue because the gun-lobby will simply say "well, you've been against our proposal to train teachers, why not now?"
Considering the ineptitude of some public school teachers, I really don't think we want them walking around with guns.
Sorry, but I’m going to bring this back to the abortion issue.
Guiliani has to stand for something, an ideology that is meaningful to him--otherwise why is he in public office? We want to be sure that the man who is in office is a sound moral person who is consistent in his viewpoint, which should be based on the moral law--a clear and common sense approach to issues. The truth is the truth--it's not relative- it doesn't change, Guliani needs to follow his conscience, which he says tells him abortion is wrong. He will not win the liberal vote because he is a republican and he won't win the conservative vote because he doesn't back a conservative view--he sides with the popular view of the moment: abortion on demand. We need to be sure Guiliani is the same person all the time, whether he's in or out of office. A good leader doesn't give the masses all that they want; he gives the people leadership and policies that are of benefit to the nation or community as a whole.
MCS - not all republicans oppose abortion and many of those who do are pragmatic enough to realize that there is more than one issue in this election. As Republicans, we believe in less government intrusion, so it makes perfect sense to personally oppose abortion but understand it is not your place to dictate the choices that other people can make. This attitude that if you don't subscribe to the religious right's moral compass your not welcome in the party, is not only going to alienate the swing voters (who decide general elections), all that is going to be left of the republian power base is the south, which does not have enough electoral votes to decide the presidency.
Also, in light of yesterday's supreme court ruling, if roe v. wade does get overturned and abortion goes back to the states - I am incredibly grateful that I live in a state where it will remain legal and available.
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